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'Hardball' not so hard for John Edwards

Seeded on Thu Dec 14, 2006 5:33 AM EST
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Edwards seemed to have little trouble fielding questions, ranging from the war in Iraq to his relative lack of foreign policy experience to his political ties to organized labor, before a live UNC-Chapel Hill crowd and a national TV audience.

"This is not hardball, this is batting practice," Matthews complained to the audience during a commercial break. "This guy is killing me. He couldn't do this four years ago."

Matthews also couldn't make Edwards, the former senator and vice presidential candidate, tip his hand on whether he plans to run for president in 2008, although it is one of the worst-kept secrets that Edwards is preparing to launch his second try for the White House sometime during the next several weeks.

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Pauline Brock

I happened to catch that segment. What this article doesn't say (and why would it) is that Edwards did identify "Harper" as Canadian PM, but didn't know his first name OR HIS POLITICAL PARTY (Conservative). Matthews insisted that Harper, and Canada, are "obscure".

Transcript is here.

The steam is still coming out of my ears and together with some of yesterday's transcript (not online yet) I will be blogging.

  • 4 votes
Reply#1 - Thu Dec 14, 2006 10:02 AM EST
Paul William Tenny

Why should he know? Human beings aren't encyclopedias. I bet you could trip up damn near anyone with questions like that.

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Reply#2 - Thu Dec 14, 2006 11:50 AM EST
Pauline Brock

"Damn near anyone" isn't running for President. I like to think anyone with government experience (Edwards was a senator) would have at least a passing knowledge of what goes on outside the US. Or is that too much to ask?

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#2.1 - Thu Dec 14, 2006 12:56 PM EST
The Good Time Cynic

And what standard do we measure him by? The current president? Regardless, IMHO, a president must have a good grasp of economics, law, and other important applicable substantive fields. Rote memorization should not be a standard to measure by.

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#2.2 - Thu Dec 14, 2006 1:39 PM EST
Pauline Brock

You (as a Presidential candidate) shouldn't need to memorize the political leanings of your next door neighbour, with whom you share the world's longest undefended border. That would fall under the heading of "substantive field", no?

  • 4 votes
#2.3 - Thu Dec 14, 2006 1:49 PM EST
Hammer of God

"Damn near anyone" isn't running for President. I like to think anyone with government experience (Edwards was a senator) would have at least a passing knowledge of what goes on outside the US. Or is that too much to ask?

That's what staffers and briefings are for.

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#2.4 - Thu Dec 14, 2006 2:48 PM EST
Pauline Brock

Pardon me while I go jump over the nearest cliff.

"Staffers and briefings" are for details. Not to tell the most powerful person in the world what POLITICAL PARTY his allies belong to - that is BASIC. Stuff like that should stick in his head without any effort; if it doesn't, is he the right person for the job?

  • 3 votes
#2.5 - Thu Dec 14, 2006 2:51 PM EST
notmyown

That's true, knowing the PM's first name and political party would certainly help him in the many foreign policy struggles we have with Canada. Come on, Harper isn't even the Canadian Head of State. I absolutely guarantee you that Edwards knows that name.

I'm being facetious, but honestly when you're running for national office and you have two years until the actual election, and you're focusing on domestic concerns (at least for now), then I think this sort of thing is somewhat excusable. Especially given that Canada is not a major policy concern in the United States, as you can see by watching the news. I'm an exception, perhaps, because I live near true Upstate New York, where many are frequently crossing the border and such, but we just take Canada for granted and get annoyed when the government makes it tough for us to get back and forth.

Of course, Canada is a rather large country, but my guess is that half of the United States doesn't even know what "Quebecois" means, nor are they aware of the significant political debate that has embroiled Quebec for many years. Ask an American to name Canada's provinces--better yet, ask them to name a state right next to theirs. I've lost all faith in my country's education system.

In fact, ask them how the Canadian PM comes to power. That'll be a barrel of monkeys.

"That's the electoral college, right?"

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#2.6 - Fri Dec 15, 2006 12:02 AM EST
notmyown

Obviously, I should have read the whole transcripts--he's not pretending to be focused on domestic issues.

    #2.7 - Sat Dec 16, 2006 11:47 AM EST
    Pauline Brock

    Especially given that Canada is not a major policy concern in the United States, as you can see by watching the news.

    This is kind of a chicken-egg thing, or Catch-22 if you prefer. Canada isn't in the news much, probably because the public isn't interested. But there are some issues that some segments of the public might find compelling - for instance, the numerous verbal snubs of the US by Chretien and his crew in the early 2000s; the @!$%# that the exiting Paul Martin gave to the US for not signing on to the Kyoto Accord, when his own government, although signed on, did not even come close to meeting its committment; the softwood lumber thing which although not exactly sexy, does matter to the business community; gay marriage and socialized medicine; and really, if Quebec were to separate (not entirely out of the question) then that would kind of kick up a lot of dust.

    Then there are our resources and our dubious(according to the US Ambassador to Canada) claim to Arctic waters which will be an issue given global warming and the opening up of more northern shipping routes, not to mention access to and ownership of resources.

    We even have some neat-o sex scandals - see Stronach, MacKay and hockey player Tie Domi. Even Condi Rice has maybe a role in that one ;)

    Seriously - I realize Canada isn't Afghanisan but at least a passing knowledge of that great white blob to the north, might one day prove useful?

      #2.8 - Sat Dec 16, 2006 1:35 PM EST
      Aine MacDermot

      Pauline, for what it's worth, I do try to educate myself about Canada (although your political system is somewhat confusing to me, Canada is by no means the only country I am confused about), since it's just across Lake Superior from me. And I even get CBC on my cable subscription, although I often wish I got the rest of your cable lineup as well (it's better than what I'm seeing here).

      I even wish the U.P. had been made a part of Canada rather than the U.S., but those pesky people from Ohio had to stick their noses in and mess with the line-drawing in 1835–1836. *grin*

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      #2.9 - Sat Dec 16, 2006 2:10 PM EST
      Pauline Brock

      :)

      Please excuse the obvious frustration in my tone - it's not meant as a slam against anyone in particular, including John Edwards whom I do like. It's the attitude of the media, which probably both shapes and reflects the attitudes of the people that consume it. Mainly, in this case, Chris Matthews, who called our PM "obscure".
      If it had been some hack on Fox News I probably would have just rolled my eyes, but Matthews usually seems quite reasonable, more or less.

      By the way we don't get Fox News up here, at least not on my cable system. I'm not sure if that's a good or bad thing.

      • 1 vote
      #2.10 - Sat Dec 16, 2006 2:17 PM EST
      Aine MacDermot

      By the way we don't get Fox News up here, at least not on my cable system. I'm not sure if that's a good or bad thing.

      About the only thing on Fox that I like are the cartoons for the adult crowd (Simpsons, Family Guy, etc.), I could do without the rest. BTW, it occurred to me the other day that the kids who grew up watching cartoons, are still watching cartoons... I mean, my parents' generation didn't have that, and there were no adult-oriented cartoons on primetime television when I was growing up. I'm not sure if that speaks volumes for the mentality of today's adults, or what... just an observation.

        #2.11 - Sat Dec 16, 2006 2:42 PM EST
        Pauline Brock

        Oh we get Fox network and the good shows (cartoons!) are all shown on Canadian networks as well. It's the infamous cable news channel we don't get; strangely, we do get CNN and MSNBC, the BBC and various other world networks with various packages.
        It might be a licensing thing but I guess there might not be much demand for it.

          #2.12 - Sat Dec 16, 2006 4:19 PM EST
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          Russ R.

          I happened to catch this when it aired as well.
          What struck me was how Mrs. Edwards was treated. I know Matthews is supposed to "keep it real" and "shoot from the hip" but he came off as a jerk with her - borderline sexist. It mad me cringe a little.

          • 4 votes
          Reply#3 - Thu Dec 14, 2006 12:27 PM EST
          protoolrobot

          I agree with you there, as to how it came off, Russ R.

          I think Chris was actually trying to prop her up as the force behind the man, by using the "busting his balls" comments.

          I also think Edwards was a little aloof as he corrected questioners and was argumentative at times with Chris.

          That irked me a bit, as i guess he is trying to come off as a little more serious the "second time around"?

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          #3.1 - Thu Dec 14, 2006 3:52 PM EST
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